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    So.. The first rounds of letters warning people suspected of downloading stuff have started to arrive in the UK. Some ISPs are shutting people off, and with the changing hands of providers & websites becoming a weekly happening, it's time to discuss WTF.

    Has anyone actually SEEN a letter of pwning? Is this all an urban myth? What would someone have to actually DO to make an accusation of illegal (sic.) downloading stick?

    Let's take the first thing that pops to mind: TORRENTS. Delicious torrents. mmmm.. EVERYBODY loves the torrents. In fairness.

    So. To catch a maggot torrenting, You (as a cyber-pig) would have to watch a torrent cluster of a file owned by someone(s) you have permission to act on the behalf of, analysing each IP address that joins. You would have to choose a target in a location You have duristiction over as it joins the cluster, with 0.00% of the file(s), and screencap this person until they have 100% of the file, noting how much they share with others for added bonus points. Then with this, extract the name of the user from the ISP, by requesting: 'who was the maggot with ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx at [certain time] to [certain time]'. If the ISP were lamers, and have an contractual obligation to the owner of the material aleggedly pirated, they might supply this information. Might.

    Then, the ISP _could_ issue a snotty letter to the owner of the account, one of the '3 strikes' we hear so much of.

    3 of these letters, and you will have to move to another ISP.

    So, what can we do? NOTHING is the answer. It's all bollocks. They CANNOT PROVE IT WAS YOU WITHOUT SEIZING YOUR MACHINES & DATA AND EXAMINING IT, THEN MATCHING IT FORENSICLY TO THE ALLEGED PIRATED DATA, Yet they can kick you off the internets on the sayso of some fgt in cyberpigland.



    BUT, if they DO con the Guards into seizeing all Your 'puter stuff, You WILL have the added bonus of them having to index all your data!! AWESOME!! i have no idea whats on half the disks i have in boxes here - i could DO with a nice list of what's what and what disk it's on!!!!! BRING IT ON!!!!! Wow, i can finally find that copy of BLEEM i paid for a zillion years ago.. or that .DMS of TRIP-A-TRON!! oh baby..

    Anyways.. it's all CYBER BOLLOCKS.
    Last edited by playthatbeat; Sat 25-07-2009, 2:51 PM.
    jUst plAythAtbEAt

  • #2
    nice rant

    Just do what I do.

    Not download anything illegal!

    and if I am doing anything illegal, have ye old peer guardian running

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    • #3
      U cud use a programme Returnil personal which is free from Softpedia and all history wud be gone once you switch of the pc !

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      • #4
        Yup.. also: using FIREFOX with the TOR plugin (the onion router) is good if you want to rip stuff from Blogs.. otherwise, for torrents, stick to ENCRYPTED CONNECTIONS ONLY/REFUSE NON-ENCRYPTED CONNECTIONS, change the torrenting port to 80 if You get no action..

        Remember, the BAD news on all this is, the ISP cannnot prove what you are doing without actually seizing Your machine, and paying for forensic examination, and undergoing a costly court action - not very likely unless you are the pink-panther of music theft - BUT, they CAN cut You off, and there is nothing You can do when they do, as YOU have to prove You have NOT been up to anything - and that is far more difficult then You think, and will cost a lot more then a simple examination and expert testimony.

        On the INTERNET you are Guilty because we says so.
        jUst plAythAtbEAt

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        • #5
          In the INDO today:


          Internet firm refuses call to block 'net pirates'

          Thursday August 20 2009

          AN Irish internet provider embroiled in an ongoing dispute about illegal music downloading has refused to block customer access to a popular file-sharing website.

          UPC Ireland (the new joint name for NTL and Chorus) confirmed yesterday that it has received a request from legal counsel for the Irish Recorded Music Association (IRMA) asking it to block access to the infamous Pirate Bay downloading website.

          Last January IRMA settled a High Court action with Eircom, who agreed to implement a "three strikes and you're out rule" against customers identified as engaging in illegal file-sharing.

          Agreement

          As part of the agreement, IRMA said it would seek a similar system to be put in place by all other internet service providers (ISPs), so that Eircom would not be at a competitive disadvantage.

          Legal proceedings were launched last June against UPC, the largest cable operator in Ireland, and BT Ireland, in an attempt to force them to take action against illegal downloading.

          But UPC yesterday declared it would not be submitting to the demands, stating that there is "no basis under Irish law requiring an internet service provider to block access to certain websites".

          - CAITRINA CODY
          And proper order.. Not that blocking PIRATEBAY would make any fuc*ing difference.. Jesus, some people are REALLY stupid..
          jUst plAythAtbEAt

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          • #6
            let them block it. There's 50 billion other sites I can go to anyways

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            • #7
              UPC are damn right. The high court order against eircom has no legal precedence, yet IRMA think it's enough to threaten other ISPs with, so as UPC say themselves:

              "UPC has informed the rightsholders that there is no basis under Irish law requiring an ISP to block access to certain websites and that it will not agree to a request that goes beyond what is currently provided for under Irish law....
              .... Should the rightsholders proceed with their threat of legal action if UPC fails to block access to Pirate Bay, UPC has every intention of vigorously defending its position in Court."

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              • #8
                Delicious torrents are made of win.. where else can you get precious stuff like JAGUAR CD roms, and uncut copys of NIGHTMARES IN A DAMAGED BRAIN or the 300+ minute cut of SPINAL TAP? Not on fuc*ing amazon thats for sure.

                IDK about all of You, but i think torrents are the killer application for the internet.. They demonstrate community action and togetherness, while allow us to aquire stuff BECAUSE SOMEONE WANTED TO SHARE IT. Soon all computing will adopt this - we will share our resources, including connectivity.. Soon, our mobile phones will become one giant network of awesomeness, edging out call-costs in favour of the WWN (world wide network).. Then the WWN will gain a soul, and metal arms, and will rise from the air to conquer all puny humans.

                Awesome. Free comms.
                jUst plAythAtbEAt

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                • #9
                  from yourtechstuff.com:

                  Pirate Bay latest: big music labels to issue injunction against Chorus NTL

                  UPC (Chorus NTL) has released the following statement. It's another two fingers up at Irma and the big music labels...

                  UPC can confirm it has received further correspondence from the solicitors acting on behalf of the Irish divisions of the music companies of EMI, Sony, Warner and Universal (“the rightholders”). In this, the rightsholders have confirmed they are to proceed with an application for an interim injunction which would require us to block access to The Pirate Bay.



                  UPC regrets this decision by the rightsholders. We have throughout all correspondence indicated that we are very supportive of the position that authors and performers are entitled to be remunerated for their artistic efforts. As has been communicated in the past, we take a strong stance on the infringement of copyright - indeed our very own business model depends on the protection of such material.



                  Notwithstanding this however, as a legitimate business we are required to operate within the confines of the law. We believe that there is no basis in Irish law for this request.



                  This means we cannot and will not meet demands from private parties that we restrict access to certain content of the internet. To agree to such a move would be to change the nature of an ISP from a communications provider to being a gatekeeper that censors the material its users can access. We believe that censorship such as this should not be agreed upon by private parties but that it is a matter for the courts and other state bodies. Moreover, if UPC were to agree to such a request, this would open the floodgate from other third parties - equally convinced of the legitimacy of their position- that we block access to other material.



                  Given this, we cannot agree to block access to The Pirate Bay. Our offer to partake in a forum that includes all stakeholders - but most particularly the relevant state bodies - to address the issue of piracy, still stands.



                  Should the rightsholders wish to address alleged piracy via The Pirate Bay, they should follow the example of their Dutch colleagues and take this up with The Pirate Bay directly.
                  jUst plAythAtbEAt

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                  • #10
                    Fuck Yeah. Im subscribing to UPC lol.. via v long cable to here.
                    Fuck Eircom and IRMA in particular. Censorship and floodgates.. Finally someone shoving it where it belongs.
                    Good luck to UPC. Proper order.
                    I AM A UFO

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                    • #11
                      Well, 2 days in to the nonsense.. and PirateBay is indeed having some trouble.. Of coarse, this makes no fuc*ing difference to anything, as there are 100's of torrent trackers, and alot of them just sc**** all the others.. So, if you try an torrent and get the 'get lost' message, enable DHT, keep encrypted and wait a while.. lol..
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                      • #12
                        A few weeks on, and TPB's trackers are now universally unreachable via most hosts in Ireland (o2, BT/vodaphone, eircom, UPC etc.).. So, if You find a torrent, and it's only tracker is with PirateBay, it will appear to have NO seeds and NO peers in it's stats.. This is of coarse only a minor inconvenience.. Just Because the TRACKER is unreachable, does not mean the peers that CAN access the tracker are also unreachable.. Using DHT You can almost certainly join and proceed as normal.

                        So much for that then.
                        jUst plAythAtbEAt

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                        • #13
                          i'v ed/l shite from tpb lately and have not activated this dht you speak of, would it be on as standard on os x maybe? would rather be discreet if possible but no nothing of hiding myself online loike

                          anyone recommend a place to find out the info i be needin

                          tia

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                          • #14
                            thepiratebay.org's tracker shared exactly the same IP address as openbittorrent.com's tracker last week.

                            Torrents that were created to use tpb's tracker only suddenly had openbittorrent's one added as the second in the list.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openbittorrent ->
                            "OpenBitTorrent is an open BitTorrent tracker project for BitTorrent protocol. As of August 2009, it uses the same tracker servers as The Pirate Bay, and appears to be operated by Fredrik Neij. Unlike The Pirate Bay and many other large trackers, it is not tied to a BitTorrent index."

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                            • #15
                              Think this might be more sinister then we previously scoffed.. M8s in the states are also not reaching TPB now.. Maybe they were pwned?
                              jUst plAythAtbEAt

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